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jimmysidecarr
02-22-2006, 03:10 PM
That phrase way be rendered obsolete soon if researchers like these guys have there way....

link-> http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/060222_chicken_teeth.html

Chicken will grow teeth when pigs can fly.

Well, better start searching the skies for flying pork—scientists have discovered a mutant chicken with a full set of crocodile-like chompers.

The mutant chick, called Talpid, also had severe limb defects and died before hatching. It was discovered 50 years ago, but no one had ever examined its mouth until now.

The researchers recently created more Talpids by tweaking the genes of normal chickens to grow teeth.

"What we discovered were teeth similar to those of crocodiles—not surprising as birds are the closest living relatives of the reptile," said Mark Ferguson of the University of Manchester.

What happened

Around 300 million years ago, the ancestor of all modern vertebrates gave rise to two lineages, the mammals and the reptiles/birds. The oldest reptiles, such as crocodiles and alligators, had cone-shaped teeth. So did the earliest birds, called archosaurs.

Then, around 80 million years ago, modern birds emerged without teeth.

"So what would you expect bird teeth to look like? You would expect them to have teeth like their ancestors and their most closely related living relative," study co-author John Fallon of the University of Wisconsin told LiveScience.

Indeed, Talpid's teeth are conical, much like an archosaur's and closely resembling the teeth of a baby alligator or crocodile, Fallon said. If the chick survived, the teeth would most likely reabsorb into the mouth.

The archosaurs had mouths similar in shape to a reptile's. It turns out that developing a beak caused birds to lose their teeth.

"The reason that birds lost their teeth is that in forming a beak, the two tissues that ‘talk' to each other to make a tooth become separated," Fallon said. "They can't have the conversation to make a tooth. In the mutant, these tissues are brought back together."

Make more mutants

The finding made scientists curious whether healthy chickens still possessed the 80-million-year-old genetic pathway for producing teeth.

By making a few changes to the expression of certain molecules in the pathway, the researchers were able to induce tooth growth in normal developing chickens. These teeth also looked like reptilian teeth and shared many of the same genetic traits, supporting the scientists' hypothesis. None of these chickens were allowed to hatch.

This is all good news for hockey players. A direct application of this research, Ferguson said, could be re-growing teeth in people who have lost them through accident or disease.

The research is detailed this week in the journal Current Biology


:eek:

http://www.livescience.com/images/060222_mutant_mouth_02.jpg

Cobra G
02-22-2006, 03:49 PM
That's crazy!:jawdrop:

Big Daddy
02-22-2006, 04:03 PM
Someone reads the Drudge Report! :thumbsup:

jimmysidecarr
02-22-2006, 04:08 PM
Someone reads the Drudge Report! :thumbsup:

BUSTED!!! :D

Mephisto
02-22-2006, 05:00 PM
In the business we call that Ontogeny recapitulating Phylogeny. :scratch:

jimmysidecarr
02-22-2006, 06:15 PM
In the business we call that Ontogeny recapitulating Phylogeny. :scratch:
WOW

Ontogeny

n : (biology) the process of an individual organism growing organically; a purely biological unfolding of events involved in an organism changing gradually from a simple to a more complex level; "he proposed an indicator of osseous development in children" [syn: growth, growing, maturation, development, ontogenesis] [ant: nondevelopment]

re·ca·pit·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rk-pch-lt)
v. re·ca·pit·u·lat·ed, re·ca·pit·u·lat·ing, re·ca·pit·u·lates
v. tr.
To repeat in concise form.
Biology. To appear to repeat (the evolutionary stages of the species) during the embryonic development of the individual organism.

phy·log·e·ny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (f-lj-n)
n. pl. phy·log·e·nies
The evolutionary development and history of a species or higher taxonomic grouping of organisms. Also called phylogenesis.
The evolutionary development of an organ or other part of an organism: the phylogeny of the amphibian intestinal tract.
The historical development of a tribe or racial group.

Twice Bitten
02-22-2006, 08:53 PM
Ontogeny recapitulating Phylogeny. :scratch:

Gezundheit.

ORANGE CRUSH
02-23-2006, 12:07 AM
I just farted.:D

Mephisto
02-23-2006, 10:09 AM
Very Good Jiimmysan! Wax on. Wax off.

This also means that creationists are wrong, sorry.

cobltng
02-25-2006, 12:00 PM
That phrase way be rendered obsolete soon if researchers like these guys have there way....

link-> http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/060222_chicken_teeth.html

Chicken will grow teeth when pigs can fly.

Well, better start searching the skies for flying pork—scientists have discovered a mutant chicken with a full set of crocodile-like chompers.

The mutant chick, called Talpid, also had severe limb defects and died before hatching. It was discovered 50 years ago, but no one had ever examined its mouth until now.

The researchers recently created more Talpids by tweaking the genes of normal chickens to grow teeth.

"What we discovered were teeth similar to those of crocodiles—not surprising as birds are the closest living relatives of the reptile," said Mark Ferguson of the University of Manchester.

What happened

Around 300 million years ago, the ancestor of all modern vertebrates gave rise to two lineages, the mammals and the reptiles/birds. The oldest reptiles, such as crocodiles and alligators, had cone-shaped teeth. So did the earliest birds, called archosaurs.

Then, around 80 million years ago, modern birds emerged without teeth.

"So what would you expect bird teeth to look like? You would expect them to have teeth like their ancestors and their most closely related living relative," study co-author John Fallon of the University of Wisconsin told LiveScience.

Indeed, Talpid's teeth are conical, much like an archosaur's and closely resembling the teeth of a baby alligator or crocodile, Fallon said. If the chick survived, the teeth would most likely reabsorb into the mouth.

The archosaurs had mouths similar in shape to a reptile's. It turns out that developing a beak caused birds to lose their teeth.

"The reason that birds lost their teeth is that in forming a beak, the two tissues that ‘talk' to each other to make a tooth become separated," Fallon said. "They can't have the conversation to make a tooth. In the mutant, these tissues are brought back together."

Make more mutants

The finding made scientists curious whether healthy chickens still possessed the 80-million-year-old genetic pathway for producing teeth.

By making a few changes to the expression of certain molecules in the pathway, the researchers were able to induce tooth growth in normal developing chickens. These teeth also looked like reptilian teeth and shared many of the same genetic traits, supporting the scientists' hypothesis. None of these chickens were allowed to hatch.

This is all good news for hockey players. A direct application of this research, Ferguson said, could be re-growing teeth in people who have lost them through accident or disease.

The research is detailed this week in the journal Current Biology


:eek:

http://www.livescience.com/images/060222_mutant_mouth_02.jpg

So this Chicken died of the Bird Flu that was going on around in that time period

And the flying porker was probably shot out of a cannon at the traveling Circus Show. I am kool with all this new info.