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Levi
04-11-2006, 12:41 AM
Looking at Autometer Phantons mechanical 2 1/16" gauges.
Thinking Phanton due to good looking for a good price.
All other are $$$$$$$.

Three of them to fill in the new gauge plate in the dash bezel under the climate controls with white face.

What do you thinks good for my 98 N/A?

What Water Temp. range?
120-240 or 140-280 F

What Oil Pressure range?
0-100 or 0-150 PSI

Oil Temp. I think the only one around is,
140-280 F

I think it's going to look sweet with the original white face gauge cluster, white face climate control backing and under that white face gauges.

97CasperCobra
04-11-2006, 01:16 AM
Three of them to fill in the new gauge plate in the dash bezel under the climate controls with white face.

I think it's going to look sweet with the original white face gauge cluster, white face climate control backing and under that white face gauges.

Guess you have all that SPACE w/o the cassette deck and CD deck. :p

Not sure on what you're talking about with the white faced gauge cluster and backing deal. I'd say get a black backing plate for the gauges to go with the other black interior. :thumbsup:

Andy M
04-11-2006, 07:30 AM
Stan,

I would most definitely go with mechanicals whenever possible. I have the 2-1/16" Phantoms in my car. White face, black bezel, red dial. They look great and are very functional.

I would go with the following:

oil temp - get one which reaches a limit of 280 or more if possible.
oil pressure - I think mine is 0-60 pounds ??
water temp - up to 240

my car is not at home right now, but I will check this asap and let you know.

These three are the most important ones!!

I would also get a warning light for the dash (in your field of vision) for both low oil pressure AND high water temp!! I have a red LED for the oil pressure one and a bright blue one for high water temp. This lets have a visual while on track in case you are not watching your gauges and something bad happens (like a broken oil pump!!!! :eek: ). It will alert you in time to shut it down before real damage happens.

David is the best source for deciding what to install on this. I assume you will get him to install this stuff for you, right?....

jimmysidecarr
04-11-2006, 10:23 AM
Where are you guys mounting these mechanical water temp senders???

When I ran mech. gauges in my old drag truck the sender bulb was enourmous!!!

It prevented me from mounting it the way I wanted.
I had to stack up a series of pipe adapters which pulled the sender out of the coolant flow. :doubt:

Are you drilling and tapping???

I always loved the mechanical gauges but felt it to be too much of a pain this time around.

Plus the capilary tubing does not do well in a tight bend situation dictated by my choice of a pillar mount. :(

03 cobra toy
04-11-2006, 10:51 AM
Where are you guys mounting these mechanical water temp senders???

When I ran mech. gauges in my old drag truck the sender bulb was enourmous!!!

It prevented me from mounting it the way I wanted.
I had to stack up a series of pipe adapters which pulled the sender out of the coolant flow. :doubt:

Are you drilling and tapping???

I always loved the mechanical gauges but felt it to be too much of a pain this time around.

Plus the capilary tubing does not do well in a tight bend situation dictated by my choice of a pillar mount. :(

Mechanical gauges are a pain in the ass to install :( It cost some $$$ to run that tube....

No drill or tapping

Coolant temp in the crossover pipe
http://www.prodata-net.com/2003Cobra/WaterTempAdapter.htm

Oil temp in the oil pan (Canton has a bung hole)

Oil pressure at the factory switch

jimmysidecarr
04-11-2006, 11:39 AM
That's a really nice solution!!! :thumbsup:

I also went electric since I wanted a left bank temp sender... due to our Terminator tight pistons issues. :mad:

I knew the other two were no big deal especially the oil temp. The pan bung is nice! :thumbsup:

97CasperCobra
04-11-2006, 11:46 AM
(Canton has a bung hole)

in my best Bevis & Butthead voice....."you said BUNG hole....hehehehehehehe"

Levi
04-11-2006, 03:44 PM
Guess you have all that SPACE w/o the cassette deck and CD deck. :p

Not sure on what you're talking about with the white faced gauge cluster and backing deal. I'd say get a black backing plate for the gauges to go with the other black interior. :thumbsup:


The stock speedo, tach. and other gauges. gauges are white face. :banghead:

and I replace the climate controls black indicator plate with a white face.

All this will look the same if I use the gauges with white face, black bezel, red dial.

With me now. :doubt: :D

Levi
04-11-2006, 03:46 PM
Stan,

I would most definitely go with mechanicals whenever possible. I have the 2-1/16" Phantoms in my car. White face, black bezel, red dial. They look great and are very functional.

I would go with the following:

oil temp - get one which reaches a limit of 280 or more if possible.
oil pressure - I think mine is 0-60 pounds ??
water temp - up to 240

my car is not at home right now, but I will check this asap and let you know.

These three are the most important ones!!

I would also get a warning light for the dash (in your field of vision) for both low oil pressure AND high water temp!! I have a red LED for the oil pressure one and a bright blue one for high water temp. This lets have a visual while on track in case you are not watching your gauges and something bad happens (like a broken oil pump!!!! :eek: ). It will alert you in time to shut it down before real damage happens.

David is the best source for deciding what to install on this. I assume you will get him to install this stuff for you, right?....


Andy, Thanks for the temp ranges, I just did not know where to start.

Good idea about the warning lights, Sweeet..... :thumbsup:

Levi
04-11-2006, 03:57 PM
Where are you guys mounting these mechanical water temp senders???

When I ran mech. gauges in my old drag truck the sender bulb was enourmous!!!

It prevented me from mounting it the way I wanted.
I had to stack up a series of pipe adapters which pulled the sender out of the coolant flow. :doubt:

Are you drilling and tapping???

I always loved the mechanical gauges but felt it to be too much of a pain this time around.

Plus the capilary tubing does not do well in a tight bend situation dictated by my choice of a pillar mount. :(

Mechanical gauges are a pain in the ass to install :( It cost some $$$ to run that tube....

No drill or tapping

Coolant temp in the crossover pipe
http://www.prodata-net.com/2003Cobra/WaterTempAdapter.htm

Oil temp in the oil pan (Canton has a bung hole)

Oil pressure at the factory switch

I just want something that gives me a better reading then the stock gauges and with out alot of work to get the job done.
So y'all are saying electical is good enough for what I need and easy to install.

Right nothing is easy............... :rotf:

Say I get electric.
Other than the gauges, what other parts are needed?

03 cobra toy
04-11-2006, 04:18 PM
I just want something that gives me a better reading then the stock gauges and with out alot of work to get the job done.
So y'all are saying electical is good enough for what I need and easy to install.

Right nothing is easy............... :rotf:

Say I get electric.
Other than the gauges, what other parts are needed?

I would and did go with electric gauges.

The key to making the gauges accurate is running an additional ground wire to the sending unit. :thumbsup:

Just that coolant plug (see above post) No other parts needed...senders are in the gauge kit.

Levi
04-11-2006, 04:24 PM
I would and did go with electric gauges.

The key to making the gauges accurate is running an additional ground wire to the sending unit. :thumbsup:

Just that coolant plug (see above post) No other parts needed...senders are in the gauge kit.

:banghead:

Now I remember you said that before............................:doh2:

Sweeeeeeeeeeet, Thanks big D. :D

Carl G
04-13-2006, 03:00 PM
Stan I would make one exception on the guages and go with the water temp above 240. You may never need it but from experience my car runs 220 to 240 depending on how hard I push it and for how long. Being your car is not S/C you may lelect not to go this way, however seeing that we do a lot of track events above 240 may not be a bad thing. My oil pressure runs around 60-80 on the track. Cant wait to see them installed,

Levi
04-13-2006, 04:02 PM
Stan I would make one exception on the guages and go with the water temp above 240. You may never need it but from experience my car runs 220 to 240 depending on how hard I push it and for how long. Being your car is not S/C you may lelect not to go this way, however seeing that we do a lot of track events above 240 may not be a bad thing. My oil pressure runs around 60-80 on the track. Cant wait to see them installed,

Thanks Carl. :thumbsup:
Just waiting on my tax return, then I can get the gauges. :cool:

Levi
05-06-2006, 01:11 PM
Got the gauges, nothing better to do on a rain day and so I am starting the installs.

Any other last minute advice you can give to this goof ball?


I would and did go with electric gauges.
The key to making the gauges accurate is running an additional ground wire to the sending unit. :thumbsup:
Just that coolant plug (see above post) No other parts needed...senders are in the gauge kit.

Just checking to make sure I understand completely.
I know it's out of reach, for me. :rolleyes:
:rotf:

I am not sure what you mean when you say additional ground wire to the sending units! :scratch:
Is that a separate gounds for/from to each gauge?

I think the lighting needs to only come on when the lights are on
and I think I under stand the power leads can be a 12v key on only connection.
Can all the power on leads be on/into the one/same power connection?

I am just trying to do it right the first time and I know what y'all are thinking, so I will say it for you.
I'm a :retard: .

jimmysidecarr
05-06-2006, 05:10 PM
Read the directions over carefully... and you will see that the lighting side is going to be a separate hot. The lighting side will be variable off the dash light circuit, and the sender/gauge power will be a full 12v though switched so that it goes cold when the ignition is off.

While you could combine the grounds for the two circuits... the gauge will be more accurate if you run a separate ground wire out with the gauge hot to the sender/sender area. Select a ground as close to the sender as possible.

The reason for this is that the ground voltage can change with distance from the battery... plus the chassis is steel and not copper wire...
So you can see when dealing with a small change in voltage to make the gauge change ..... this would be benefitial.


Here is a link to a how to write up that got stickied at Modularfords.com...

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/reference-forum/oil-pressure-electric-and-eng-temp-electric-gauge-install-34631.html

BTW I need to re-do my grounds in this same fashion when I am in there the next time... :thumbsup:

Levi
05-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Perfect timing. I have the gauges mounted and in place. Took a little longer then I thought, had to do some dremel work and now working out how to run the wires.

First thing I said to my self was; this is a piece of cake.
Wrong, I just jinxed myself. :rotf:

Thanks for the help, this should get it done. :thumbsup:

Levi
05-08-2006, 01:58 PM
Thanks to everyones information it's going to be great. :thumbsup:


Later down the road I hope to do this. :cool:

http://www.florida50.com/Images/94-2004/Clusters/94_DV_002.jpg

97CasperCobra
05-08-2006, 03:50 PM
Good to hear you got it all worked out Stan....I'd love to see it. I know I'll be needing help with mine. ;)

This is how I would like to do mine:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/Cookieman00x/DSCF1118.jpg

http://www.norcal1320.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/DSC00200%20%28Small%29.JPG

Instead of the "pocket" underneath the vents put the gauges there. :thumbsup:

Levi
05-08-2006, 04:36 PM
I'm not done yet,,,,,,,, It's just looking good at this point.
Taking my time and doing the wiring right the first time. :cool:



I like your idea on the climate controls being moved down and gauges up top.

SWEET! :thumbsup:

Levi
05-09-2006, 01:43 PM
Did not find a 25ohm sweep potentiometer.

Will a 25ohm rheostat work?

jimmysidecarr
05-09-2006, 02:01 PM
Did not find a 25ohm sweep potentiometer.

Will a 25ohm rheostat work?

Same thing..

I got mine at a local Radio Shack. :thumbsup:

Levi
07-06-2006, 10:17 AM
Hey Jimmy, what size tool did you use to remove this oil plug?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/jimmysidecarr/Mystichrome%20SVT%20Cobra%202004/Gauge%20install/OILPLUG.jpg

jimmysidecarr
07-06-2006, 10:36 AM
Hey Jimmy, what size tool did you use to remove this oil plug?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/jimmysidecarr/Mystichrome%20SVT%20Cobra%202004/Gauge%20install/OILPLUG.jpg


I'll have to check tonight... I bought an assortment of allen wrenches and allen drives from Sears (Craftsman)... so I ended up with sizes I didn't need(for this job).

I'll post up after I get home and check it..... the plug is still in my tool box drawer.
I'm pretty sure it was a US size though... 5/16, or 3/8 allen(hex).

:thumbsup:

Levi
07-06-2006, 11:06 AM
Thanks. :thumbsup:
With my luck the one I needed would not be in the assortment of wrenches. :rotf:

jimmysidecarr
07-06-2006, 09:37 PM
And the answer is........ (drum roll)..............












1/4" allen(hex key)!!!!!!...................... (Cymbal CRASH!!)

(Applause, whooping, whistles and screaming!!!)


:D

93KingCobra
07-06-2006, 11:24 PM
And the answer is........ (drum roll)..............












1/4" allen(hex key)!!!!!!...................... (Cymbal CRASH!!)

(Applause, whooping, whistles and screaming!!!)


:D


Jimmy, you just kill me... :rotf:

Levi
07-07-2006, 11:36 AM
:lol:

Thanks Jimmy. :thumbsup:

ORANGE CRUSH
07-07-2006, 04:29 PM
And the answer is........ (drum roll)..............












1/4" allen(hex key)!!!!!!...................... (Cymbal CRASH!!)

(Applause, whooping, whistles and screaming!!!)


:D

I'm diyin over here :rotf:

jimmysidecarr
07-07-2006, 05:35 PM
:lol:

Thanks Jimmy. :thumbsup:



[Announcer voice] You're welcome!!! [/Announcer voice off]
(BIG BOW)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/jimmysidecarr/HoseMan2.jpg

03 cobra toy
07-10-2006, 11:25 AM
[Announcer voice] You're welcome!!! [/Announcer voice off]
(BIG BOW)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/jimmysidecarr/HoseMan2.jpg


You wish your hose was that long :doh2:

Bingo13
07-12-2006, 12:48 PM
You wish your hose was that long :doh2:

and I only thought his wife knew just how long it was.....
:p

ORANGE CRUSH
07-12-2006, 02:58 PM
[Announcer voice] You're welcome!!! [/Announcer voice off]
(BIG BOW)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/jimmysidecarr/HoseMan2.jpg

Hey my hose is that same color!:eek: