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SVTNICK
05-17-2002, 01:20 PM
Question..does anybody know if tokico will be building the 5 way adjustable shocks for the 99-003 CObra's?? Im trying to decide what to do with my suspension..so far im thinking of the Kenny Brown Sport suspension...and I was hoping to get the 5 ways tokico shocks to install too..but so far it doesnt like they will be making them for us 99-03 owners..:(..so what is the next best choice i should get that will give me great performance..whether it be driving a few thousand miles across country..or at the track/strip...the best all around...

my guess is bilstein..any opinions??

Thanks

tdalsanto
05-19-2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by SVTNICK
Question..does anybody know if tokico will be building the 5 way adjustable shocks for the 99-003 CObra's?? Im trying to decide what to do with my suspension..so far im thinking of the Kenny Brown Sport suspension...and I was hoping to get the 5 ways tokico shocks to install too..but so far it doesnt like they will be making them for us 99-03 owners..:(..so what is the next best choice i should get that will give me great performance..whether it be driving a few thousand miles across country..or at the track/strip...the best all around...

my guess is bilstein..any opinions??

Thanks

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we highly recommend the Koni adjustables if you want to be able to adjust them yourself - . Go with the Bilsteins if you want the self adjustables, in other words, if you don't want to mess with them. The Koni's and the Bilsteins are excellant choices !!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

redsnake99
05-19-2002, 09:33 AM
Here's some info from my inquiry about adjustables for the rear on my 99 Cobra:



-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Brown Sales [mailto:kbsales@kennybrown.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:40 PM
To: 'Dave Stanfield'
Subject: RE: Adjustable rear shocks for 99 Cobra



The price on the KONI shocks are so high because they are a double-adjustable shock and have a unique valving just for the IRS Cobras. They are also a low volume product as there are not as many Cobras with the IRS. It is the basic laws of supply and demand. KONI makes the only high-quality adjustable shock on the market today, the technology and valving are state of the art. The cost of the shocks is really very reasonable by todays standards especially when you consider how dramatic the difference in peformance is.



The Bilstein shocks may be better suited for your needs, although they are adjustable, they are a very good alternative to an adjustable shock. The Bilstein shock uses a unique valving system that provides the best comprimise between comfort and control on the street and is very well suited for the race track. The Bilstein shocks are $129 each.



KONI and Bilstein are the only shocks we use on the IRS Cobras. There is nothing better!



I would go with the Bilstein shocks because they more than likely can meet your real needs in both performance and price. You desire the adjustable shocks but probably don't need them. If you are not familiar with the valving theories and principals of a double-adjustable shock it may be difficult for you to tune the car to your different uses. This more expensive, higher technology shock may be more than you really need.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Stanfield [mailto:dstanfield@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:21 PM
To: kbsales@kennybrown.com
Subject: RE: Adjustable rear shocks for 99 Cobra

That price is really high. Too much for my needs. Why is it so high?



Dave Stanfield



-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Brown Sales [mailto:kbsales@kennybrown.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:17 PM
To: dstanfield@nc.rr.com
Subject: FW: Adjustable rear shocks for 99 Cobra



i DO HAVE AN AJUSTABLE SHOCK AVAILABLE FOR YOUR 99 COBRA THEY ARE $335.00 EACH IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ORDERING THESE, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL AT 317-247-5320 THANKS MIKE ALLEN KENNY BROWN PERFORMANCE

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Stanfield [mailto:dstanfield@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:35 PM
To: kbsales@kennybrown.com
Subject: Adjustable rear shocks for 99 Cobra

Where can I get them? My 99 Cobra is an everyday driver, occasional open track, occasional drags day. Would like adjustables…..who makes them to fit IRS Cobra?



Dave Stanfield

SVTNICK
05-19-2002, 07:55 PM
Thanks for the info..I took a ride in a firends 98 with the 5 way adjustables..he liked em because he could go off and race when he puts em on 1..and then cruise home on five and pretend he was in a caddy...was very cool indeed..but of course he doesnt have the IRS like us... but if I want the adjustables..KB is saying Koni for 300 each..yikes..!!

How easy can they be adjusted? Has anybody ever seen or used them??

Redsnake, How do you like the bilsteins so far?? How is ride quality??


Thanks!!

redsnake99
05-19-2002, 09:45 PM
I have Tokiko adjustables up front, still stock in the back. That's why I made the inquiry to KB. Just wasn't excited about his answers. I love the Tokoko Illumina struts, great at stiffest setting on track, comfortable at low settings for every day.

Third Clue: Yes, I ran at XXX today, South Course, 135 MPH on the front straight.

:D

98Cobretti
05-19-2002, 10:15 PM
I just bought the bilsteins myself, but I have yet to receive them, the rears for my car are on backorder. If you want to get a good price though, go to www.bimmerparts.com , they had the lowest price I could find, and they are an authorized dealer for bilstein. For the complete set for my 98 it was $465.

skankin
06-07-2002, 12:56 PM
When you adjust the tokico's firmer, it makes the compression & rebound firmer (together). If you're adjusting for firmer springs, you probably don't want more compression as well. Also, even though they're adjustable, they're just not designed for really heavy spring rates (probably 650# max).

The bullitt suspension kit uses 600 & 250# springs with tokico's valved to match. The internals are the same quality as the illumina's, they're just not adjustable. You can get the whole kit from www.gefracing.com for $335... no good for the IRS though.

Like the koni reds, tok's are a low pressure, twin tube design, with internal springs that will gradually wear out.

The Hal shocks are supposedly a monotube, deflective disk design, but I don't think they use a high gas pressure... and I've heard of fading during abuse. Seems to be another cheap alternative.

The koni sports are monotubes with deflective disc valving. Supposedly more consistant, and lasts longer... although I think the adjustable valves are probably still spring-loaded... but they are rebuildable.

The koni SA's keep the compression constant, and just adjust the rebound (to adjust for spring rate, and provide some tie-down effect). Their rebound often adjusts from an industry standard valving of around 3, up to a very firm 8 or 9!

The DA's are awesome, but pricie.

Bilstein has monotubes with large pistons & digressive valving. Supposedly ride really well, and last forever. I think the large strut rod is a better design too...

The SVO/SVT guys have been using them since at least '86 (they were valved to match the 5300C springs). The 2000 cobra R used bils, and you can get them quite cheap from places like www.buyfordmotorsport.com (the struts are #M-18124-R00, and go for $275 a pair!). These were valved for the heavy 5.4L SC with 800# springs. The new '03 cobra uses bilsteins as well.

Here's some valving info:

Front strut,
sport H = 1300/540 N = 292/121 lbs = 5.5 / 2
cobra R = 1440/450 N = 323/101 lbs = 6 / 1.5

Rear shocks,
IRS H = 1600/745 N = 360/167 lbs = 6.5 / 3
IRS R = 2280/1145 N = 512/257 lbs = 8 / 5

Most of Bilstein's mustang-specific rear shocks are actually twin-tubes. I went with a monotube, digressive-valved short track shock. There are many valvings:

http://www.stockcarproducts.com/bshocks.htm

The inboard IRS requires lots of valving though, so you'd probably be limited to the 7/4.5, 8/4 or 8/6. With a heavy spring rate, the 8/4 would probably ride nice. I don't know what length you'd want, or how you'd wanna mount them though...

Hopefully I'll finally get my bils on this weekend!