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98banana
04-10-2003, 08:07 PM
Here's an in-car video of our very own John Pearson doing a few laps at CMP last weekend.

Very exciting John!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

www.planetmustang.com/Movies/CMP-0403/start.WMV

johnbasf
04-10-2003, 08:15 PM
Thanks Tom. I have watched the in car a ton. I have a lot to learn. It is going to be fun learning. :D :D

COBRA #17
04-10-2003, 11:12 PM
:thumbsup: :D :thumbsup: :D


I'm still glad you got that rear view mirror!:D
BUDDY !!!!:rotf:


AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

2KWhiteSnake
04-10-2003, 11:55 PM
Great Video!

How's the rear end on the car? Figure out what the problem was from the Sunday run?

Craig

rshelbygt
04-10-2003, 11:58 PM
That video rocks!! Any more??????? PPPPLLLLEEEAAASSEEEEE!!

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 12:07 AM
That's what I'm screamin! When you doing another school Jason? I'm about to get nasty with the car. Cage is going in, new seats(and harnesses to keep my fatass in the seat), and gonna rip those Eibach springs out and start over with something from MM, just gotta decide if I wanna go with Coilovers or not. I'm not going totally extreme, but gotta get some basic stuff that's better than what I have. What do you have planned for the Cobra?

Craig

rshelbygt
04-11-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by 2KWhiteSnake
That's what I'm screamin! When you doing another school Jason? I'm about to get nasty with the car. Cage is going in, new seats(and harnesses to keep my fatass in the seat), and gonna rip those Eibach springs out and start over with something from MM, just gotta decide if I wanna go with Coilovers or not. I'm not going totally extreme, but gotta get some basic stuff that's better than what I have. What do you have planned for the Cobra?

Craig

I'm going to hit another school just as soon as the "open-track fund" gets some more money in it. I hit it pretty hard in Feb/March (3 school weekends in 5 weeks...yikes!!).

As far as the Cobra goes...for now I'm going to just do some minor stuff. First on the list is some better tires (the H rated pieces of crap that I'm running now just don't cut it:( ). I really want to learn as much as I can on a "stock" car before I start making major changes. Ultimately, the car will have the MM Maximum Grip kit on it...but that's in the future.:thumbsup:

Go for the coilovers...no sense in doing things twice!!

98banana
04-11-2003, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by rshelbygt
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Go for the coilovers...no sense in doing things twice!!

I second that.

Hey Jason, I'm not sure if I put this back in the "where" thread, but it was in the thread that got deleted from the SQL problem:

http://www.planetmustang.com/Movies/CMP-0403/MOV00126.MPG

This is the outside view from that previous video...

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 11:24 AM
So, I'm taking it that the coilovers make a huge difference. I agree with not having to do things twice. My eibachs are just way too soft IMO. Should I just call MM or Griggs and get some feedback from them on what I need, or would you have a good coilover suggestion? First on my list is the basic stuff (aside from the cage and other safety stuff), Coilovers, C/C plates, and IRS bushings.


Craig

thomasmoran1
04-11-2003, 11:33 AM
John, you looked awesome out there!!! Can't wait to run with you again. If that was the first lap of the race you did a good job of keeping your cool. I really like how you weren?t afraid to go up the inside of that red car. Keep up the hard driving.

Thomas

98banana
04-11-2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by 2KWhiteSnake
So, I'm taking it that the coilovers make a huge difference. I agree with not having to do things twice. My eibachs are just way too soft IMO. Should I just call MM or Griggs and get some feedback from them on what I need, or would you have a good coilover suggestion? First on my list is the basic stuff (aside from the cage and other safety stuff), Coilovers, C/C plates, and IRS bushings.


Craig

Craig,

There's a lot of reasons for coil-overs. I'm not a good person to hear them from though because I'm rusty after being gone for so long. But, one big advantage is the adjustable ride height at each corner. That allows you to corner weight the vehicle for better balance and also to fine tune the overall ride height.

Calling one of the above mentioned companies is an excellent idea. My vote is Griggs, but MM is just as good.

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 11:56 AM
See, that "adjustment" part is what bothers me. I wouldn't know how much or how little to adjust something like that. I'd have all 4 wheels with different settings....LOL. The car would be an inch higher on the left than on the right, etc. Guess I like things simplified for me. If I go coilover, I'd have to hire you to "tweak it" for me. Coil-overs sound scary. :D

98banana
04-11-2003, 12:03 PM
When I got mine from Griggs, the instructions include the recommended ride height. The front was measured off the bottom of the k-member mounting point to the ground. I don't remember for the rear. That's the place to start. Then, from there, you would adjust each corner based on the weights at each wheel. That's normally the only fine tuning you would need to do and it's not a requirement.

The point about adjusting the ride height is an advantage but it's nothing you need to mess with on a regular basis. The ride height is affected by the weight of the car, so it only needs to be adjusted if that changes.

Now, that being said, I'm sure there is some fine tuning that would be done from track to track or for different conditions. I never did any of that and I wouldn't know where to start. That gets into suspension stuff that I'm still trying to learn.

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 01:29 PM
Tom, I think you went from the regular spring/shock combo to coil-overs. Did you notice a big difference overall? I'm just wondering if a good H&R (race springs)/Bilstein setup would give the same response with the car. Basically I'm asking, would coil-overs allow me to carry 5-10 more MPH through the "kink" as opposed to a basic setup.

Craig:thumbsup:

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 01:45 PM
Gasp! I just checked out the different coil-over spring rates at MM's site. How would one ever make a decision? There is like 12 different spring rate possibilities for the front alone.

Craig

rshelbygt
04-11-2003, 02:48 PM
My basic understanding (and it is just that...basic) of the benefits of coilovers is it allows you to increase the effective wheel rate without running a high spring rate (and compromising ride quality). In order to get a high wheel rate with the "stock" setup...you have to run a very high rate spring (900-1000#) which pretty much makes the car ride very rough. With coilovers you can have excellent handling and a nice ride. The adjustablilty is also a huge benefit -as Tom said.

I really think some of the experienced guys could explain this better (Shugg???, Adam???, others?). Bottom line is...if you want to fix the problem with the stock Mustang front suspension...coilovers are a move in the right direction. Of course you might as well spring for the K-member, control arms, bumpsteer kit, torque arm, panhard bar, etc. while you're at it. ;)
He He He.......

I plan on doing the "band aid" approach with used parts until I can afford to do it the right way **cough...Maximum Motorsports...cough** (had to throw that in there, Tom).:thumbsup:

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 03:47 PM
Ok... I talked to Chris at MM.
Here's what we came up with...

Front: Bilstein Race Valve struts with 425lb springs $369

Rear: Bilstein Cobra R shocks with 650lb rear springs $429

IRS bushings $50, C/C $199, and their basic Subframes $119.

He said that should get me started in a big way. Now I need to talk to the wife ;) Guess I'll just skip the new seats for a while and go for this stuff and the cage. I can always use the harness with my stock 01 seats. They aren't too bad I don't think.

How does that setup sound to you guys?

Craig

SIUNARA
04-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Looks like you made the "RIGHT CALL" Craig!! Maximum will hook you up!! :D Since your in the spending mood, just get the k-member to go along with the front coilovers...and swap the IRS for a TA/PHB setup!!! :thumbsup: ;)

Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!! ;) ;)

johnbasf
04-11-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by COBRA #17
:thumbsup: :D :thumbsup: :D


I'm still glad you got that rear view mirror!:D
BUDDY !!!!:rotf:


AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

:rotf: :rotf: Hoover you bite. :rotf:

97whitevert
04-11-2003, 05:07 PM
Ahhh John-- you ARE my hero!!! :D

rshelbygt
04-11-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by SIUNARA
Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!! ;) ;)


Don, You must have bumped your head! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while!!


Craig...you better step up to some 17X9 wheels with 275/40/17 tires while your at it. How much for your Kumho MX's???;)

johnbasf
04-11-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by SIUNARA
Looks like you made the "RIGHT CALL" Craig!! Maximum will hook you up!! :D Since your in the spending mood, just get the k-member to go along with the front coilovers...and swap the IRS for a TA/PHB setup!!! :thumbsup: ;)

Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!! ;) ;)

He and Shugg must be getting REAL TIGHT with me out of the way. Jason please tell me you don't have a pair of cordaroy pants. :D :D

2KWhiteSnake
04-11-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by rshelbygt
Don, You must have bumped your head! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while!!


Craig...you better step up to some 17X9 wheels with 275/40/17 tires while your at it. How much for your Kumho MX's???;)

You running 17x8's Jason? I'm scared to ask the wife for the MM stuff, let alone some new wheels and tires. I WILL buy the Kumho's again though(for a few more events, then some stickies). They haven't failed me yet. I'll let you know if I'm gonna part with them. Let me check out some wheel pricing online. I think some 17x9 2KR's would be fitting don't ya think?:D

OMG!!! This is such a sickness!!! How did I let you people get me into this?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Craig:thumbsup:

rshelbygt
04-11-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by johnbasf
He and Shugg must be getting REAL TIGHT with me out of the way. Jason please tell me you don't have a pair of cordaroy pants. :D :D



?????????????:doubt: :doubt: ??????????????

Uhhhhhh....what's the deal w/ all the mention of cordaroy pants??? What is the story?????? Fill us in!!!!!! It sounds like a good one!

SIUNARA
04-11-2003, 09:16 PM
I agree with Jay, this sounds like a good story...fill us in please. :)

COBRA #17
04-11-2003, 09:57 PM
I can't believe these Yankee imports can't figure this one out !!!
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

They all have corduroy's in the closet!!!:thumbsup:


All these questions about suspension and set ups, you guys have one of the best suspension guys around right in your back door. Don Rositch at www.mustangdon.com
He raced for Griggs out west for several years and worked in the shop for alot longer!!! He changed my car 100% last year after setting it up. Coil overs basicly pull a ton of weight off of the front end and drop the spring rate by combining it with the strut. But remember one very important fact!!! You have to have a VERY GOOD SET OF CASTER CAMBER PLATES to run coil overs. You put a ton of stress on the strut towers with the coil overs!!! I bent a set of MM plates last spring and if they had broke I would have had a MESS!!!!

John, SORRY buddy I couldn't resist!!!

AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

98banana
04-11-2003, 10:08 PM
Craig, when I went to coil-overs I did it at the same time as the Griggs stuff. Huge difference, but I have no idea what part made what difference. If MM told you that's the way to start, then that's the way to start. They know there stuff.


And yes, this is a sickness. I just got back from picking up the new ride (thanks Jim). On the way there, I called Griggs and ordered some more stuff:

World Challenge Rear LCA's
Panhard Bracket

That goes with what should be here next week, which is:

World Challenge Frame Kit
Torque Arm Bracket

And, the Metal Supermarket delivered this today:
96' 1.75 X .120 DOM tubing
10' 1.00 X .095 DOM tubing
4' 2 X 2 square tubing

So, let the fun begin...

98banana
04-11-2003, 10:10 PM
Hey Hoov, are you still running MM plates? If Griggs will allow me to run MM plates and still be eligible to get the contingency money WHEN (not if) I win the points, then I'll do that.

Both Griggs and MM make plates plenty strong enough for coil-overs, but the MM seem to have more adjustability.

rshelbygt
04-11-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by COBRA #17
I can't believe these Yankee imports can't figure this one out !!!
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

They all have corduroy's in the closet!!!:thumbsup:

AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

Are you all just talking about the fact that Shugg seems to live in his couderoys.......or is there more to it????????????

johnbasf
04-11-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by rshelbygt
Are you all just talking about the fact that Shugg seems to live in his couderoys.......or is there more to it????????????

I will let Mr. Hoover answer. :rotf:

97whitevert
04-11-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by rshelbygt
?????????????:doubt: :doubt: ??????????????

Uhhhhhh....what's the deal w/ all the mention of cordaroy pants??? What is the story?????? Fill us in!!!!!! It sounds like a good one!

yeah....??????? what jason said...:doubt:

Dean95CobraR
04-12-2003, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by 98banana
Hey Hoov, are you still running MM plates? If Griggs will allow me to run MM plates and still be eligible to get the contingency money WHEN (not if) I win the points, then I'll do that.

Both Griggs and MM make plates plenty strong enough for coil-overs, but the MM seem to have more adjustability.


When I ordered the entire WC Griggs kit, Griggs sent me MM plates. If they are selling them instead of their own, that should tell you something. :thumbsup:

COBRA #17
04-12-2003, 11:03 AM
It is true Griggs recomends the MM plates and Yes I run them. They do not care which plates you run. They will not penalize you for that. Did you get the notice on the new Griggs cont program for this year. If not it is up on the website. Pretty sweet!

As far as the corduroys I won't hammer a man who is not here to defend his self. It is just a little joke between us hillbillys and some city folk!!!No harm ment just an inside joke. :thumbsup:
At first he was a little upset but soon took it as a joke!!!


AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

98banana
04-12-2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by COBRA #17
It is true Griggs recomends the MM plates and Yes I run them. They do not care which plates you run. They will not penalize you for that. Did you get the notice on the new Griggs cont program for this year. If not it is up on the website. Pretty sweet!

As far as the corduroys I won't hammer a man who is not here to defend his self. It is just a little joke between us hillbillys and some city folk!!!No harm ment just an inside joke. :thumbsup:
At first he was a little upset but soon took it as a joke!!!


AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

Yeah, Pantas just sent me the new contingency. If I could just find about $6K, I could finish the car, then get it all back by winning the points race... :)

No seriously, I think that is a SWEET deal. For those curious, here's the link: http://www.americaniron-east.com/contingencies/griggs.pdf

johnbasf
04-12-2003, 12:24 PM
That is a real nice program. Thanks to Griggs for stepping up. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: