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STANGBUM
07-12-2003, 11:50 PM
Looking to by a new digital camera, maybe 4 or 5 megapixel, price range around $300 to $500, w/zoom, and be able to make a large print (8x10, 16x20 or larger)
Any info or your camera of choice and why would help.
thanks, Rick:)

34Ford
07-13-2003, 02:55 PM
I just typed this long letter to you and lost every bit of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!cause I wasn't logged in.

Excuse me while I go cuss this computer out!:mad:

johnbasf
07-13-2003, 05:12 PM
I have the Olympus D-460. It takes great pics but I wish it would zoom more. 2X digital zoom. It was @ $240

Ken 01-Cobra
07-13-2003, 08:19 PM
I wrote you a long reply too, and it died an awful death with a blue screen of death. (I think the last "security upgrade" really screwed something up! Mickeysoft at it's best!)

Anyway, I have an Olympus 3030Z that I am quite happy with for what it does, and I think the newer 4040Z fits your price range. I MIGHT be selling it as I am presently looking at the Nikon 100D and Canon D10, if you're interested. :D

grumpynlovinit
07-13-2003, 09:08 PM
Spend more - you won't regret it. I have a Nikon CoolPix 5700 (about $1,100) and the colors are awesome. I also have a Canon Digital Elph, which is great for carrying around, but can't take pics like the Nikon. (and I use a Macintosh puter, so I don't have the Windoze problems mentioned earlier in the thread!)

34Ford
07-14-2003, 04:32 PM
Okay. darn it. I have had other bbs's loose my letter the same exact way. Sometimes I even cut & paste it just for those occasions.

Now where was I.

Rick,

I have had an Olympus C2000 for 3 years now and I would defiantly buy another! And mine is only 2 megs and I have been VERY happy with it.

Do you want to buy locally, or would you consider the inet?

I saved $200 buying mine online over our local electronics stores.

Digital cameras have two ways of viewing what your shooting. Either a LCD screen on the back and a viewfinder to look thru. I hate the viewfinders with the electric viewfinders. The optical ones are much sharper.

Here is Olympus's C series.
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital_cseries.asp

The C4000 should be a nice camera. Its a 4 meg.
Here is where I bought mine, and a camcorder and a friend also bought from these guys. I trust them.
http://www.buydig.com/shop.php?prod_id=OMC-4000Z&adv=cnet

If you let their pop-up show (I know,we hate'em
:mad: ) they have a pretty nice deal for $384. You get the camera, 64 meg memory card, & case.

I can let you see my C2000 anytime you want, and you can get a real good idea of its feel. Or call me if you like.

(Note to self; cut 'n paste here.) and Submit.

It did it again!!!!!!!!:mad: TURN ON THE COOKIES, DOH

Dennis

Ken 01-Cobra
07-14-2003, 04:59 PM
That 4000 looks like the upgrade to my 3030Z. It has more digital zoom (I don't like digital zoom as it increases pixilation) than mine, but is about HALF what I paid for my 3030Z a couple of years ago! Mine is a 3.3 megapixel vs. the 4 megapixel of the new one, but everything else is about the same! Sheesh...I guess I couldn't afford to sell mine! You can now buy the 5050 Zoom for what I paid for the 3030Z. :eek:

34Ford
07-15-2003, 11:14 AM
I agree. On any camera the digital zoom is no good unless you are on a tripod.
I rarely use it anyway.

I think Rick would like the C4000.

The body is the same as my 2000, so I can at least show him the feel and basics.

Dennis

STU
07-16-2003, 07:32 AM
I am very happy with my Sony...here is the latest version.
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=GW5uX2YCENBuA1kXLJpkVCkOLRmcbwxGOCo=?ProductID=NIsKC0%2eNWQAAAAD2D19O1mTv&Dept=dcc&CatalogCategoryID=OM0KC0%2eN498AAAD2vaFO1mTl

STANGBUM
07-16-2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by 34Ford
I agree. On any camera the digital zoom is no good unless you are on a tripod.
I rarely use it anyway.

I think Rick would like the C4000.

The body is the same as my 2000, so I can at least show him the feel and basics.

Dennis
I looked at the Olympus c-4000. I really like it also would get the 128mb card with it. Will show it to the board next week at the meeting. My only question is what is the max size copy it would make. (11x17, 20x30):)
Also looking at the Sony Cyber shot DSC P10 or P92

34Ford
07-16-2003, 04:33 PM
Rick,

You can make any camera do a (8x10, 16x20 or larger)even a cheapie. Its just the cheap ones will have more grain in the pic of course.

The software you use is what determines the size you want it to print. Its just the 4meg camera will have much better resolution for you to work with before you print it.
I have printed out 8x10's on HP glossy photo paper at 640x480 and it looks pretty darn good.
:)
Now with the 4meg camera, it would be AWESOME!:bounce: Even if you send it to someone to be printed, they will probably crop the pic to suit.

Oh BTW, all the pics of my cars you see on my website and in my link below are all shot in 640x480.:D The lowest setting my camera will do.

The C4000 will do SHQ JPEG: 3200x2400. That is gonna be a HUGH file, and slow to work with. But a great picture. Oh and it will do video too.

Dennis

STANGBUM
07-17-2003, 07:25 AM
Dennis, why I want a larger picture size is the club is looking at making up calendars to sell with the individuals car on it for next year (pic size would be ..maybe 11x17) and also sell just pics of their cars like 16x20 or larger......so I want the large pics to be as crystal clear as possible without spending an arm and a leg for the camera.:cool: :cool: :thumbsup:

STANGBUM
07-17-2003, 07:51 AM
something like this only larger:D

Ken 01-Cobra
07-17-2003, 08:55 AM
Here's a piece of a 5 megapixel image at a print size of 24x18 300 DPI. It will give you an idea of the print quality...

STANGBUM
07-17-2003, 09:53 AM
Thanks Ken, that looks excellent. Thats what I am looking for.:thumbsup:

Ken 01-Cobra
07-17-2003, 02:50 PM
This shot was taken with the Fuji 5 megapixel camera. Very similar to the Nikon 100d. You would see about the same image quality with the Olympus 5050 Zoom. The 4000 would have about 20% less pixels, so would be about 20% less crisp at the same size and print resolution.

I seriously want a Nikon 100D or Canon D10. Leaning towards the Nikon since I already have some Nikon lenses that would plug right in!

STANGBUM
08-05-2003, 08:05 AM
Dennis,
I presented the C4000 Camera to the board last nite and it was approved:bounce: :thumbsup:

So I guess I will be ordering it in the next couple of days.:D
If you know of a better deal please let me know asap.

But I think this camera will do what we need it to do for the club, don't you think?:cool:

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 09:14 AM
It should work. The 4 megapixel images are nice too.

After checking further into it, I found that the 5050 is NOT a 5 megapixel camera as I thought it was...it still has the same 3.3 that my 3030Z has. The 5050 comes from the fact that they upped the zoom factors.

I've decided to wait a year or two and see what Nikon does with the 100D. I like the camera, but $1600 just for the body is a bit steep!

STANGBUM
08-05-2003, 09:22 AM
Yea, I don't know if I could get the board to approved a $1600 Camera:eek:
But Ken, you think that this camera will do what I need it to do don't you?

18x24 pics (clear) for calendar
some video to put on web site
And if I read it right I can buy lens that will attach to this camera?

Thanks for everyones help on this.:thumbsup:

34Ford
08-05-2003, 09:37 AM
Alright!:thumbsup:

Here is where I get price comparisons. You can see your options.
http://shopper.cnet.com/Olympus_Camedia_C_4000_Zoom/4014-6501_9-20238673.html?tag=pl

Some have higher prices, some high shipping, some free.
But I can vouch for buydig.com

They still offer the C4000 & 128 meg memory upgrade for $391 + $20 for shipping. You should get the popup banner, so dont close it out like we usually do;)

Let me know what you decide.
:bounce:

Oh, if you need me anytime at work call; 298-1510 ext.4336

Dennis

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by STANGBUM
Yea, I don't know if I could get the board to approved a $1600 Camera:eek:
But Ken, you think that this camera will do what I need it to do don't you?

18x24 pics (clear) for calendar
some video to put on web site
And if I read it right I can buy lens that will attach to this camera?

Thanks for everyones help on this.:thumbsup:

That $1600 is without lenses too! Lenses run $150 and up! (mostly up)

I don't know. I think you're really pushing the envelope on 18x24 pics with a 4 megapixel camera if you want good crisp prints with at least 300 DPI for printing. For that size, I don't think anything less than 5 megapixel is going to give you what you want, and that is on the edge. If I blow up one of my 3.3 megapixel images to that size, it pixilates pretty badly, and the 3.3 is only what, 20% less than the 4?

It will handle the video, but I dont think it has interchangeable lenses either.

I am going to go do a couple Photoshop tests and I'll upload them for you to see them.

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 11:57 AM
This is a piece of a 3.3 megapixel image (original is 2048x1524 or somesuch) blown up to 24x18 300 DPI. You will note that there is some fairly high pixilation going on.

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 12:00 PM
Here is a 5 megapixel image (original is 3040x2016) blown up to 27x18 at 300 DPI. (due to image size) You will note that there is still SOME pixilation, but not as bad as the 3.3.

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 12:02 PM
Here is that same 5 megapixel image at 20x16. You will note a decrease in pixilation.

The 4 megapixel camera would probably fall directly between the top two images. Not good enough in my opinion.

Now, I am going to go print actual print size samples... ;)

Ken 01-Cobra
08-05-2003, 12:26 PM
The print size samples look close to the same, so I am not going to use the bandwidth to show them again. Keep in mind that the 5 megapixel image is a 2.5 meg jpeg image I am starting with and the 3.3 megapixel is a 700 kb image. The 4 megapixel is going to be around 1.4 meg for the best resolution the camera can take I believe. Since neither of these images were in MAX mode when they were shot, you will pick up a little resolution when you shoot in the max mode, but not that much over these high quality mode images.

From these tests, I would say max size, even with the 5 megapixel would be around an 11x14 if you wanted true photo quality, and maybe 16x20 if you could squeak by with a little pixilation. If you take the resolution of the ccd and divide it by 300 (for DPI...the minimum for good prints), you end up with around a 10x6.75 picture on the 5 megapixel in raw mode, so you're effectively increasing pixilation as you go up from there.

So to answer your original question, no, I don't think this camera is going to do what you require of it.

For 18x24 images, you're still better off renting a high quality medium format film camera I believe. Set up a weekend shoot, rent the camera, and shoot all the calander pics over that weekend. Then you have high quality film images to work with. It WILL be expensive though! More than the C4000 costs for sure. 18x24 is BIG...

STANGBUM
08-05-2003, 01:27 PM
Thanks Ken,
You have answered my question. I talked to some of our board members and we decided to go with approx. size for calendars at 11x14 or 11x17 and I think the c4000 will do the trick.:thumbsup:

STANGBUM
08-05-2003, 01:33 PM
Ken, they said best resolution for that camera is 2.2jpeg, so that should work. Thanks again for your help.:thumbsup:

Ken 01-Cobra
08-06-2003, 04:25 AM
No problem...I think with 11x14 the camera will do a very acceptable job for you! I'm glad they were flexible on the size! :D

STANGBUM
08-11-2003, 02:11 PM
Well I purchased the Olympus c4000, here is a pic with it:thumbsup:

STANGBUM
08-11-2003, 02:12 PM
and another....:thumbsup: